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in one minute so we'll be seeing her

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so uh in theory alejandro she'll be

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screen or not but uh i'll let you know

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yeah great just let me know so you want

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me to keep going or something yeah sure

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um a couple other people we're gonna

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have we're gonna have cheryl costa she

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writes for uh syracuse new time she's a

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uh columnist weekly columnist there but

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what things she did um and have did do

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yeah so your listeners will know she

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something about ufos uh i can't remember

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the name of the book right now do you

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remember the name of the book

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it's like ufo national statistics and

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trends i think it's called

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anyway i don't have the book right here

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in front of me but no problem it's just

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sightings throughout the country and she

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media to let people know so her book got

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tons and tons of publicity all over the

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country which is really exciting but you

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ufocongress.com

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great thanks so much alendron thanks for

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filling in no problem thank you all

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right take care you too

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can you hear me selma

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selma can you hear me

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so much for the soundcheck that worked

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before oh she's gone okay um hopefully

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randy's well versed in it

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for some reason it's not working

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she should be back any minute

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right here are you kidding me okay what

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do you want to talk about

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uh so what do you think as uh you've

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listened to the show for how long now

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i would say at least three or four years

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of course you haven't done a show on it

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where you hope you're about you're about

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to but there's so many witnesses at that

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specific cases a lot more than

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talking about ufo and you're the ufo

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you sorry how are you i couldn't um i

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unfortunately uh randy is not able he's

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he did yeah he did fine in the test and

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i could get him through a phone line but

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the phone is not going through my

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computer and into so no i can hear him

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basically but welcome to the show

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it's it's a real honor actually to have

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uh the very best cases

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directly from a witness like you are you

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having trouble with your

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phone i am i'm sorry

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i'm gonna try and hold it as uh as

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steady as i can it was it was great

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earlier but now i'm kind of moving it so

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flashing lights um

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very rural so um used to be a farm so

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copies um it wasn't mountainous per se

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other like what's happening

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stories like yeah i saw that what does

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lights um but it it started off

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weren't teachers out among the children

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children go out um with a teacher or two

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so um they they were all in their staff

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meeting and and break was a little bit

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longer than usual which we loved and you

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better um and us as grade sixes were the

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playground because the grade sevens were

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seven exams end of year exams and so we

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like yeah you know we're gonna we're the

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tuck shop i actually completely forgot

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it wasn't separated but they just had

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their own section that had swings and

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go in i know there were like

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a lot of trees it was hard to get

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through and so was there actually a

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fence there in front of this area you

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weren't supposed to go

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no there was no fence um

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what it was was literal tree trunks as

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the boundary of the playground

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so if you can think of big eucalyptus

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trees the trunks of those trees were

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what

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separated our playground from you know

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where we were

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not supposed to go beyond but there was

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no fence the rest of that was just open

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area open bush um you could see

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as far as the eye

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would allow you beyond that

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so there was no obstruction really other

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than those tree trunks

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yeah yeah

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wow um and so let's let's hear the rest

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uh so did now i know one of the children

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described

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that uh

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the

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craft went what appeared to go along

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like a power line or did you see

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anything like that

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i'm sorry can you repeat that mountain

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yeah one of the witnesses said that it

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appeared to go like a long i don't want

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to say a power line or some type of

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uh

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oh i see

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yeah i i didn't see that but there was a

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very there was a a weird like buzz or

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hum

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um that again i couldn't really make too

321
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i couldn't make too much sense of

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because i just didn't know you know

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sometimes electric lines buzz so but it

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was a very very loud buzz and then also

325
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given this whole time thing i just

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wasn't sure

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if i was imagining it or what was going

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on like i didn't really know what to

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make of it but i did not see anything

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particularly near the power line i don't

331
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know that i i definitely felt the buzz a

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lot of buzz

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yeah now were you

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and your fellow schoolmates were you

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drawn towards this area i mean did you

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all start like flowing down

337
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um toward it to see what was going on we

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did um

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we did eventually

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and it was

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right by you know the

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right by the logs as we would call them

343
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and we you know we could sit on these

344
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logs sometimes and eat our lunch which

345
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is what we would do but we stood there

346
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and kind of just

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congregated a few of us

348
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and looked in the area where both the

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flashing lights were and

350
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wherever this

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buzzing sound was coming from

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from the electric poles um

353
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and you know if i saw

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what i called the being or a being

355
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that was maybe

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maybe about

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three to four feet away from me but it

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didn't cross it didn't cross over the

359
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boundary of

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of the tree trunks

361
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never

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really

363
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and now what about the floating did you

364
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see

365
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it did not appear to be floating from

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for me i saw it as being grounded on

367
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on this like copy like area like i keep

368
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saying i was able to draw a craft

369
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to the best of my um memory but i did

370
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what about on top of the craft and

371
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did you think there were actually two

372
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beings or was it

373
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or one that showed up twice

374
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that i don't know i think that that's a

375
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question that

376
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i may never know but it's but it's

377
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definitely a question i've asked myself

378
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since the experience because i honestly

379
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couldn't tell you if they were to

380
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they looked i they were identical

381
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there was no there was no

382
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difference between the two

383
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if they were in fact two i have no idea

384
00:14:34,310 --> 00:14:31,680
now what about i saw some of the

385
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pictures that were drawn and

386
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some of them it showed with or one at

387
00:14:41,430 --> 00:14:39,040
least showed with long hair and all

388
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those others showed no hair at all

389
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what did you what do you remember seeing

390
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i remember seeing one that did not have

391
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hair

392
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um

393
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mine did not have any no facial hair no

394
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i mean i couldn't tell if there was body

395
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hair because it was in

396
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a

397
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white color

398
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yes well like a porcelain white yeah

399
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like like like

400
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yes almost like a like a nude

401
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kind of

402
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poison

403
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kind of

404
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color is what i could is what i could

405
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:37,040
best describe it

406
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i think i said porcelain that it just

407
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looked completely perfect

408
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there was no blemish there was no

409
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nothing it just was so smooth and it

410
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almost looked um

411
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you know i think porcelain is just it's

412
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very it's very firm it's stiff it's kind

413
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of stoic like so if you were to think of

414
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a statue you know i'd be like okay it's

415
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:58,720
kind of like a porcelain statue um

416
00:16:02,470 --> 00:16:01,440
except that this this being was moving

417
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um

418
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but it was

419
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there was no you know the expression on

420
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on its face was not one that i really

421
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:09,759
understood

422
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,480
there was no smile there was no frown

423
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you know they were not um

424
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facial there was no facial recognition

425
00:16:21,590 --> 00:16:19,680
for me to comprehend at that time did it

426
00:16:23,749 --> 00:16:21,600
change at all or did it stay exactly the

427
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same

428
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in terms of looks or location no as far

429
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as

430
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any expressions like you said the

431
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expressions were nothing you recognized

432
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i'm just wondering if any it did it show

433
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and looks like

434
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i don't know if you can hear me but

435
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looks like it froze on your end you may

436
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:49,519
want to

437
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and

438
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:59,749
it might start working again on its own

439
00:17:03,269 --> 00:17:01,600
okay she'll be back i'm sure she'll be

440
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,279
signing back in

441
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,959
i think it's really really interesting

442
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:06,559
so far and

443
00:17:11,829 --> 00:17:08,720
i will uh

444
00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:11,839
if the time comes in the next hour and

445
00:17:16,630 --> 00:17:14,480
people in the chat and listening live

446
00:17:18,230 --> 00:17:16,640
would like to uh

447
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:18,240
would like to join us on google hangouts

448
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:19,919
and ask her a question

449
00:17:23,350 --> 00:17:20,799
that is

450
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,360
here she's coming back um hi sorry i

451
00:17:26,549 --> 00:17:24,799
don't i don't know

452
00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,559
i've got full signal on my end can you

453
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,720
guys hear me okay oh yeah yeah you're

454
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:31,039
fine yeah it's good to have you back

455
00:17:35,110 --> 00:17:34,000
yeah um so

456
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and

457
00:17:39,750 --> 00:17:37,440
so basically what i was asking is if it

458
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:39,760
changed any expression at all or did it

459
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,440
stay exactly the same like a statue

460
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:45,360
for me what what

461
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:46,960
what i remember is that it stayed

462
00:17:50,630 --> 00:17:49,600
exactly the same it moved from place to

463
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:50,640
place

464
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:52,640
in terms of its location but it's it's

465
00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:54,960
um physical appearance did not

466
00:18:00,150 --> 00:17:58,160
did not change yeah uh we have randy on

467
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,160
finally i don't know what happened but i

468
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,640
think i see him and uh

469
00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:04,320
join him in

470
00:18:09,590 --> 00:18:05,840
hey randy how are you

471
00:18:12,230 --> 00:18:09,600
hi sama hi martin how are you i'm back

472
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:12,240
great i'm glad you're glad you made it

473
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,360
um so yeah we've had having a couple of

474
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troubles i i don't know if i'm going to

475
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:21,520
be doing google hangout anymore um

476
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:24,640
so uh selma has been uh right into the

477
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:26,320
story do you mind if i continue with her

478
00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:27,919
and then randy will talk about her film

479
00:18:32,630 --> 00:18:31,200
after okay so back to you selma um

480
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:32,640
so

481
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,880
can you repeat how close you were how

482
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close this thing got to you or you got

483
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to it

484
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:40,799
sure um i can

485
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,360
i think it was between like three

486
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to five feet

487
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now how did you feel i mean were you

488
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scared

489
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i was

490
00:19:01,110 --> 00:19:00,000
remember feeling fear no

491
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,120
not fear

492
00:19:05,190 --> 00:19:02,559
that i wasn't

493
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,200
no i just think i i think i i didn't

494
00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:07,360
know what i was looking at

495
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:08,880
i didn't understand what i was looking

496
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:11,679
at so if i felt

497
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,000
confused or fearful to that degree yes

498
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:16,080
but not to the degree that i thought

499
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:18,880
that this thing was going to harm me

500
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:21,600
and when it moved did it move unlike a

501
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well when it moved i

502
00:19:32,070 --> 00:19:29,760
what i remember is that i would see it

503
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,080
over like over here and then i would

504
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:34,480
blink maybe i mean again i don't know

505
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,080
about it seemed like i would blink and

506
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:38,240
it would be over on another side so i

507
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:39,760
can't really say if it moved like a

508
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,080
human because that's

509
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:44,240
very unhuman-like like no human can move

510
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:46,160
that way so the answer to that would be

511
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,120
no but i do remember seeing the being in

512
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,880
more than one place

513
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,640
in a given period of time but i don't

514
00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:54,160
know what that time frame was like i

515
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,240
said i i have no idea

516
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,799
uh summer we have an in-house uh uh in

517
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,120
studio guest named alan and he has a

518
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:03,600
question for you go ahead hey selma uh

519
00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:06,000
hi how are you i love your accent accent

520
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:07,600
and your personality

521
00:20:15,510 --> 00:20:12,789
did any of the children

522
00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:15,520
consider it a religious experience or

523
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:18,640
was it just automatically ufo

524
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:20,720
i don't know what religion the people at

525
00:20:26,150 --> 00:20:23,200
the school were but did that did that

526
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:26,160
does that ever come up at all

527
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um

528
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,440
definitely not i

529
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i mean i

530
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the school was predominantly i think

531
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most of the people at the school were

532
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christian

533
00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:37,679
um and i

534
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:40,080
am muslim so there was no there's no

535
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:41,679
there's no um

536
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,760
conversation about that in

537
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,360
in the religion certainly that i was

538
00:20:50,710 --> 00:20:47,039
brought up with uh

539
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:50,720
no the people that i know at school uh

540
00:20:54,230 --> 00:20:51,440
but

541
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,240
there was also no outside influences to

542
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,120
what a ufo was per se

543
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:58,400
um

544
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:59,360
so

545
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,840
i don't know if we knew at that time

546
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,760
what we had seen i don't think we

547
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,280
understood

548
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,480
fully at 11 what it was we were looking

549
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,960
at we just knew that a few of us had

550
00:21:15,190 --> 00:21:12,880
seen something that was

551
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,200
very very unusual

552
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:17,280
um in that we hadn't seen it before and

553
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,760
that not everybody saw it in that we all

554
00:21:22,390 --> 00:21:20,720
had

555
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,400
different experiences from it we've we

556
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:24,159
felt different things from it we saw

557
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,440
different things people got different

558
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,360
messages that's

559
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:30,480
that much we knew was unique and unusual

560
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,280
to us but i don't know if we

561
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:35,200
i certainly didn't i can only speak for

562
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:37,840
myself i don't i don't believe that any

563
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:40,640
of us classified it as a ufo we just

564
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,799
said it was you know something that we'd

565
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,440
never seen before and one more question

566
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,280
when it was over is that all you could

567
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,120
talk about i mean was it just the buzz

568
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,799
that's that's you you couldn't go back

569
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,880
to class i mean

570
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,280
yes it took

571
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,200
it took a long time

572
00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,240
um i mean yes i it was for a little bit

573
00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,320
of time but we also come from a very

574
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,720
strict educational system where you

575
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,039
don't have time to be messing around so

576
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:09,679
after all the interviews and i honestly

577
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,159
don't know randall would know more about

578
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159
how many we had because there were so

579
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,159
many it was fun at first to be called

580
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,480
out of class to you know go talk about

581
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,559
what i had seen and even though i didn't

582
00:22:23,909 --> 00:22:22,240
fully comprehend what it was but to have

583
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,919
somebody be like oh okay you know i

584
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:25,760
thought well it's good okay at least

585
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,760
this person believes me or at least they

586
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,760
asking me what i saw so that's good um

587
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,360
because you know

588
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:34,799
it was very hard to convince adults

589
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,600
about what it is we had seen um but then

590
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,080
it got it got a bit tiresome you know it

591
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:42,000
got it got really

592
00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:42,960
it got

593
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:45,600
kind of tiring at the end and

594
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,280
i was happy to not talk about it for a

595
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:49,840
while and i didn't until randall randall

596
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,559
popped into my life in 2010.

597
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:56,159
wow um now what about your your mother

598
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,760
did she believe you right off the bat

599
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,960
yes she did

600
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:03,120
my mom did um i

601
00:23:06,710 --> 00:23:04,640
i was very

602
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,720
i was surprised but but happy like i

603
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,960
wasn't

604
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,640
i was happy that she was open-minded

605
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:11,520
enough

606
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,720
to

607
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,640
believe in me like she believed in me

608
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:17,039
and that was what was the most important

609
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:17,840
and

610
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:19,280
because i took a while to tell my

611
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:23,120
parents but then i thought well

612
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:24,159
well

613
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:25,280
oh

614
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:26,720
there it goes again

615
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:29,600
uh okay uh randy she

616
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,520
there she's back are you back

617
00:23:36,470 --> 00:23:33,679
i'm back you're back okay yeah so just

618
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:36,480
froze a little bit there um well well

619
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:39,679
that's great now um going back to the

620
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:41,440
encounter itself

621
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:42,320
did you

622
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,840
actually make eye contact with this

623
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:47,600
being whatever it was

624
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:50,720
yes i did i i know i did um

625
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,240
the the drawing that i was able

626
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:57,440
to sketch was the exact thing that i saw

627
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:01,679
and and i it was this like

628
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,480
we we locked eyes i again don't know for

629
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:05,760
how long but

630
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,640
um

631
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:08,640
i definitely looked at

632
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,440
this being dead in the eye

633
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:13,039
well and

634
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,080
um

635
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,400
what did you feel when you did that i

636
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,200
mean you said you weren't afraid but

637
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:21,200
was it still just a curiosity at that

638
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:24,080
time or did you feel i know some people

639
00:24:26,549 --> 00:24:25,520
feel as though they got a message of

640
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,559
some type

641
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,080
did you have any

642
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:31,039
i did not have a message i

643
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:32,799
if i do i don't know what that message

644
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:36,480
is it hasn't fully computed maybe um

645
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,830
it was very

646
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:42,799
it was

647
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:44,480
not calming i don't quite know how to

648
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:46,480
describe it but it was like nothing i've

649
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:48,880
ever done i've ever felt before

650
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,080
there was no fear it was just

651
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,240
almost as though this being was looking

652
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:56,880
into my soul like it knew me like it

653
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,840
knew who i was that is the best that i

654
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,200
can describe

655
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,000
um this sort of like interlocking of of

656
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:06,720
eyes for however long it was

657
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:09,440
but i was with my friend emma at the

658
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,400
time

659
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,120
and the moment i walked away from her

660
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,640
because i had

661
00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,799
a younger brother and sister also on the

662
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,159
playground because i was worried about

663
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:20,559
them the moment i walked away from her i

664
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:22,880
didn't see the being again and

665
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:24,720
you know i

666
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:26,880
i stopped dropped the gaze and and

667
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,640
walked away and checked on my siblings

668
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,799
and that was my experience that was sort

669
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:33,120
of the extent of my experience

670
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,039
now when you were when you made eye

671
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:36,960
contact did you feel there was an

672
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:42,870
i don't know if i knew i would even have

673
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:46,480
known what that was at that time um

674
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,080
to be honest i i don't i don't know um

675
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,000
i felt

676
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:55,360
this thing

677
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:58,480
knew me knew some things

678
00:26:01,830 --> 00:26:00,240
about me knew some things about a lot of

679
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:01,840
things if that makes sense and i think i

680
00:26:05,909 --> 00:26:03,520
told that to my mom one time when she

681
00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:05,919
asked me like what do you you know what

682
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,440
do you think

683
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,600
the point of this was and i said i don't

684
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,039
know i think

685
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,720
i think i'm supposed to know some i

686
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:15,600
think that these things came

687
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,120
because they know a lot of things about

688
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,480
the earth and they're trying to tell us

689
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,320
some things they know some things but i

690
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:22,000
don't know what those things are and at

691
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:25,039
11 you know i remember her looking at me

692
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,480
like okay that's

693
00:26:31,029 --> 00:26:28,400
it's quite existential but i mean i

694
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:31,039
didn't know what that was i had no idea

695
00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:32,159
and i think that that's something i'm

696
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:33,679
still discovering

697
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,240
i don't believe i have any one answer

698
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,039
um it's something that unravels

699
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:41,279
with each day with each year the more

700
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:43,520
that i talk about it the more

701
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:46,159
clarity i get so i have randall to thank

702
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,679
for that because i didn't for a very

703
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:48,960
very long time

704
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,000
yes yeah i i totally get that um i've

705
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,240
talked to people like travis walton i'm

706
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,400
sure you've heard his name yes before

707
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:58,320
and it was a long time

708
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,919
oh it was a long time he just didn't

709
00:27:03,430 --> 00:27:01,760
even want to deal with it or talk about

710
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:03,440
her to think about it

711
00:27:08,230 --> 00:27:05,840
you know one of the girls that

712
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:08,240
dr mack interviewed

713
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:10,720
um every time i see that clip i get

714
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,159
goosebumps and that is um

715
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,039
she says they he asked what do you think

716
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:19,200
they wanted or i'm not sure exactly what

717
00:27:22,710 --> 00:27:20,799
his question was

718
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,720
but she looks back at him and

719
00:27:27,029 --> 00:27:24,960
like they were interested she said that

720
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,039
like they were interested and for some

721
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,360
reason that just gives me goosebumps

722
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:31,840
like again it's almost like

723
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:35,440
she's describing them looking into her

724
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:36,880
yes yes

725
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,600
absolutely it was

726
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:40,799
it was very

727
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,320
mentioned the um

728
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,600
the you

729
00:27:49,750 --> 00:27:47,520
posed the analogy of like the when you

730
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,760
have a car accident time slows down well

731
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,360
i didn't have a car accident but i was

732
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:53,279
hit by a by a truck

733
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,279
um a number of years like four years

734
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,960
prior to this experience and that's how

735
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,240
it felt for me

736
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,159
so um that's kind of just crazy that you

737
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,480
mentioned that and that's not really

738
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:03,840
something a lot of people know about me

739
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:05,840
i don't know if the two are interrelated

740
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,600
i have no idea they maybe are not but um

741
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:12,000
it's i've always felt that it's it's

742
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,120
something

743
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,960
that i can add to the experience of who

744
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:17,440
i am and there's a reason why

745
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
i experienced both those things

746
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,080
yeah whether they're related or not

747
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:24,080
i do want to talk to you how your life

748
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:27,120
has been going and all that but a couple

749
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:28,480
of things first

750
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:29,360
um

751
00:28:32,389 --> 00:28:30,880
and that is uh

752
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:32,399
how do you feel when people are trying

753
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,120
to

754
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,520
like debunk the whole thing or first of

755
00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:37,760
all i want to ask you in the beginning

756
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,840
right after this happened did anyone try

757
00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,080
to talk you out of what you saw

758
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,440
absolutely oh my gosh almost everybody

759
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,919
my parents didn't uh yeah my parents

760
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,440
didn't and of course

761
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,399
people who interviewed us

762
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,919
there were very few people that i

763
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,159
actually felt comfortably enough

764
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,840
with who there were few people that i

765
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,640
felt actually were genuinely interested

766
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,880
in what and what we had experienced

767
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,720
rather than just having a news story if

768
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,200
that makes sense and even at 11 you can

769
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:10,080
tell like people who are just like there

770
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:11,440
to

771
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:15,039
see sort of going through the general

772
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,559
questions what did you see what did you

773
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,559
hear you know there were there were some

774
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,880
people who were a lot more in depth like

775
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,559
dr mack um

776
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:24,159
and a few other people i think there was

777
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:25,520
an interview

778
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,840
a journalist from bbc who who was who

779
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:29,760
was different too just in his in the

780
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,720
approach

781
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:32,799
um

782
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,559
and i so i didn't always feel that

783
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:37,120
people really even journalists and

784
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,360
professionals or quote experts at the

785
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:41,120
time um

786
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:44,559
really believed in what we had seen

787
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:46,240
and there were a lot of people who who

788
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,120
tried to debunk that um

789
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,520
a lot so that that had a lot to do with

790
00:29:56,789 --> 00:29:54,240
why i just didn't talk about it does it

791
00:29:57,669 --> 00:29:56,799
upset you now because i know there's if

792
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,679
you

793
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,360
i've done a little research ahead of

794
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,200
this show and there are people out there

795
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,279
of course calling it a hoax and like you

796
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,120
know and i laugh at that because you

797
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:07,679
know i can't imagine school children

798
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:09,679
putting together such an elaborate folks

799
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:10,960
that's ridiculous

800
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:12,880
school children martin in a southern

801
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,360
african country with no internet very

802
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,399
few people having cable have no outside

803
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:20,960
or very little not no but very limited

804
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,360
access to outside influence about what

805
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:25,679
ufos are or could be or

806
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,279
whatever like

807
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:29,520
yeah we we had nothing else to do but

808
00:30:33,909 --> 00:30:32,399
come up with this hoax these you know 11

809
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,919
year old children

810
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,000
um zimbabwe coming up with this i'm like

811
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,200
no i it doesn't upset me it used to

812
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,440
but i think that as i've gotten older i

813
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:43,600
have realized that there's obviously a

814
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:46,880
reason why randall found me so so so

815
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,240
many years later he literally did like

816
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:52,799
track me down in chicago took some time

817
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,080
for me to actually believe him and and

818
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,760
and and like

819
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,159
respond to him because i thought it was

820
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:02,240
a joke but

821
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:03,279
connecting

822
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,120
means that i've been able to reconnect

823
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:09,440
with my experience and so with that

824
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:11,039
comes a whole bunch of

825
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,440
of other things of understanding of what

826
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,840
that experience could mean um and i

827
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,159
don't pretend to have an answer now nor

828
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,159
will i tomorrow but i think over the

829
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:22,799
course of my life i absolutely will um

830
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,760
it also has encouraged me to speak out

831
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:28,320
about what i have seen because i believe

832
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,520
in what i saw and i thought well

833
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,080
suppressing it indicates that i don't

834
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:34,960
believe in what i saw regardless of what

835
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,519
everybody else thinks or may think

836
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,519
wow that's really interesting

837
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,960
and you know i gotta say something if i

838
00:31:44,789 --> 00:31:42,480
can jump in real quick cause yeah go

839
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:44,799
ahead randy yeah i mean this is not just

840
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,039
a few people and

841
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,720
uh you know there were there were many

842
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,279
witnesses outside this the school that

843
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,799
were adults that had their own

844
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,080
experience

845
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,159
with uh either this crime mostly with

846
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:58,559
this craft but there was a person after

847
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:01,120
the day after ariel i mean there's a lot

848
00:32:06,149 --> 00:32:03,120
more than uh

849
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:06,159
there's a lot of other facts that have

850
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,080
come forward over the long time that

851
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,919
i've been making this film

852
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,640
that give a lot of validity to

853
00:32:16,950 --> 00:32:14,720
all the children's testimony

854
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:16,960
randy wasn't there a lot of sightings in

855
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,279
the area after that i don't know about

856
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,679
before that but after that there

857
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,720
there were on uh on the day before the

858
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,600
night before the morning of the aerial

859
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:30,799
event on a farm near the aerial school

860
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,919
uh and the day after on that saturday it

861
00:32:37,029 --> 00:32:35,440
was in the evening

862
00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:37,039
uh so there's yeah there's just a lot

863
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,159
there was a

864
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,559
a pilot that was flying at three pilots

865
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,480
actually that were flying at twenty five

866
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,640
thousand feet the night before

867
00:32:49,110 --> 00:32:47,039
uh they actually

868
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,120
had all seen this thing fly by and they

869
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,640
couldn't explain it

870
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,000
it um

871
00:32:56,470 --> 00:32:54,480
it disturbed them enough to uh get back

872
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,480
to johannesburg airport where they're

873
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,880
flying from botswana so they're passing

874
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,799
the zimbabwean border

875
00:33:05,350 --> 00:33:03,679
uh when they saw this and uh

876
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:05,360
enough to ask the radar controller did

877
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,120
you see anything on radar because this

878
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,640
thing had apparently appeared on their

879
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:11,039
left-hand wing flew across that they're

880
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,880
right directly in front of them

881
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:14,880
and cross the entire horizon in four

882
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,039
seconds which is unheard of

883
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:19,200
um and you know these guys see

884
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:22,080
meteorites and that you know uh

885
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,440
satellite re-entries in that all the

886
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:26,159
time and they actually had it on radar

887
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,120
for a few seconds at in johannesburg

888
00:33:33,509 --> 00:33:31,679
airport anyway this is just one of many

889
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:33,519
many other uh things that give a

890
00:33:39,430 --> 00:33:37,440
validity to uh salma and many others

891
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,440
that were there that day

892
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,960
thank you randy i'm going to be talking

893
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,440
to you in a little bit um about how you

894
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,279
put this film together and all that but

895
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,880
thanks for and anytime you want to jump

896
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,880
in that's great anytime you want to jump

897
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:50,240
into the comment

898
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:52,159
i was wondering if the pilots described

899
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:54,559
the the

900
00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,200
go ahead if the if the pilots described

901
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,760
the object the same as the children did

902
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:02,399
they described it as a ball of light

903
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,080
that's exact that's all he could say it

904
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,480
was a ball of light that it he actually

905
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,720
they all thought it was another plane

906
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,079
there were two planes in the air at the

907
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,520
time and they thought it was the plane

908
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:13,280
that was coming to formate these were

909
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,760
two commercial airlines and they were

910
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:17,440
you know in africa you can actually fly

911
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,879
in formation and you can get away with

912
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,280
it um but

913
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,599
they had mistaken you can

914
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,240
a lot of things happen in ivory so

915
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,240
uh he had thought it was on his right

916
00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:30,639
hand side the pilot said no i'm on your

917
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,320
left hand side he said well what's that

918
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:35,200
on my right hand side and and they both

919
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,280
all three of them the two pilots in one

920
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,800
plane and the one in the other all saw

921
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:40,079
this ball and that's how they described

922
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,599
it was a ball of light

923
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:43,040
and they were looking at it for a while

924
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,800
and they and then it crossed their right

925
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:46,079
in front of them

926
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:47,359
and uh

927
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,200
the speed just was incredible at that

928
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:51,040
when you have 25 000 feet you have a

929
00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:53,359
much bigger horizon it's a much larger

930
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:55,280
distance across the planet

931
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,560
um

932
00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:58,400
so to disappear like that within four

933
00:35:02,470 --> 00:35:00,800
seconds was highly unusual for them i

934
00:35:05,510 --> 00:35:02,480
guess anything going that fast turns

935
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:05,520
into a ball of light right probably

936
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:07,920
well randy um didn't didn't some of the

937
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:10,400
kids say that they saw a ball of light

938
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:12,320
and it turned into the disc or am i

939
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,680
getting that wrong

940
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:15,680
uh several of the kids said that they

941
00:35:20,710 --> 00:35:18,320
saw a flash of light in the sky

942
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:20,720
yeah okay before all this stuff happened

943
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,320
there was a lot that happened you know

944
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,640
there was a lot that happened beforehand

945
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,760
um

946
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,359
that peop that

947
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,280
several of the children had seen in the

948
00:35:34,390 --> 00:35:32,079
sky um

949
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,400
some say there was a flash of light some

950
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,200
have had actually seen this silver thing

951
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,440
and then but there was a flash of light

952
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,680
involved that i do know everybody a lot

953
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,560
of people at least had reported that um

954
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,320
and then it was uh the next thing that

955
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,320
happened was it was on the ground

956
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:50,000
or hovering above the ground

957
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,760
great thank you yeah

958
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,280
uh selma so

959
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,359
in the chat room we had a question

960
00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,920
someone now you have described the being

961
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,920
or beings whichever they were but what

962
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,839
about the craft itself can you describe

963
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:03,520
that

964
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:04,480
um

965
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:07,280
or did you even pay attention to that uh

966
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,440
with the being being there

967
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:12,560
the being was what i remember most if

968
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,760
i'm being honest um the craft i i do

969
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,400
remember drawing a craft so i i i

970
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:20,160
remember seeing

971
00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:22,480
some part of it i don't even know the

972
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:24,240
extent of what i saw

973
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,560
in terms of size um but i would say

974
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,640
maybe like a

975
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,640
like a it was

976
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:32,960
silver-esque

977
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:35,760
in color um maybe

978
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:38,560
sort of like disc shaped ish

979
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:39,680
um

980
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:40,880
but

981
00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:44,480
it was it was a a type of

982
00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:44,860
um

983
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,000
[Music]

984
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,920
metal or

985
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,560
fabrication that i i'd never seen before

986
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:52,640
and my dad is a steel fabricator so i

987
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,800
could say that steel that's you know

988
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,720
that's aluminium or whatever but i had

989
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,480
never seen anything like that before so

990
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:01,119
i have no idea what it was it was it was

991
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,200
completely unusual and i say

992
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,720
silver-esque because it wasn't quite

993
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,480
silver but it was look it's the closest

994
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:09,200
thing i could i could

995
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,320
link it to

996
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
do you remember any type of seams or

997
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,640
anything like that or was it did it look

998
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,079
smooth i mean

999
00:37:19,990 --> 00:37:18,000
do is there any other detail about it

1000
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:20,000
that you remember and also

1001
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:21,599
some of the kids thought it was floating

1002
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:23,200
a little bit off the ground did you

1003
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,200
happen to notice that as well

1004
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,000
i didn't notice it floating um i did

1005
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,720
notice it and i noticed flashing lights

1006
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:32,000
at first

1007
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,480
i think there were some

1008
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,400
there were some very interesting

1009
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,160
maybe patterns i don't know if they were

1010
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,200
seams per se but they were patterns um

1011
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,800
and i don't really know how to describe

1012
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:45,280
them but they were a lot darker than the

1013
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:49,200
color of the of the craft itself um

1014
00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,960
but they were like some form of patterns

1015
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,040
on on

1016
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:55,440
like the top half of the craft if that

1017
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:56,560
makes sense

1018
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,000
wow that's really

1019
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,119
really fascinating now how were your

1020
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,359
fellow schoolmates did anyone like

1021
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:05,440
absolutely lose it or was everyone

1022
00:38:08,069 --> 00:38:06,640
maintaining

1023
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,079
calmness through this whole thing the

1024
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:11,119
quorum no people people started crying

1025
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,000
um

1026
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,560
after a while because panic

1027
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,520
you know if you think of like

1028
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,000
you see so few people gather in a in an

1029
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:22,240
area it's not so much of a big deal then

1030
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,680
more people come then more people come

1031
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,920
and then everybody's confused by what

1032
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,200
they're looking at because we don't

1033
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,119
understand what we're looking at and

1034
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:31,599
then one person started crying and then

1035
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,400
it just took off from there and i think

1036
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:37,119
that's when i let go of emma's hand

1037
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,480
and went to check on my brother and

1038
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,320
sister because i was like oh no i'm not

1039
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,640
having them in a panic but incidentally

1040
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,119
that entire half of the playground where

1041
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,320
the grade one through grade fours were

1042
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
nobody had any experience on that half

1043
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,920
of the playground they were playing like

1044
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:53,599
nothing had happened it was almost as

1045
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,880
though we were in two separate worlds

1046
00:39:02,790 --> 00:38:58,560
like we were looking at each other

1047
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,800
like just ex same day same time just

1048
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:05,359
experiencing completely different things

1049
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:07,119
and the experience was happening all on

1050
00:39:11,670 --> 00:39:09,200
this end and nothing was happening on

1051
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:11,680
this end um because my brother and

1052
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,960
sister were looking at me like what are

1053
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,720
you talking about we're fine there was

1054
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,760
nobody crying on that end and and yet in

1055
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,160
the big kids playground

1056
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,720
panic had ensued and that's when

1057
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,560
somebody went to call

1058
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:26,240
the teachers from the from the staff

1059
00:39:29,589 --> 00:39:27,680
meeting

1060
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,599
i know you said that time moved very

1061
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,599
very slowly for you

1062
00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:34,400
but would you be able to guess about how

1063
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:36,240
long this whole thing

1064
00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:37,839
may have taken place after you talk to

1065
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:39,280
other people

1066
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:41,760
no not a clue could have been a blink of

1067
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:44,320
an eye honestly because we've we've

1068
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,200
spoken about it um a few of us

1069
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,599
over the course of the you know the last

1070
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:51,599
couple of years to try and

1071
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,960
figure out this

1072
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:54,960
time thing and a lot of us didn't even

1073
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,560
really realize there was this time thing

1074
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,079
that had happened to all of us until we

1075
00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:59,680
started talking about it and you're like

1076
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,839
oh my gosh yes i remember that and do

1077
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,200
you remember like did you get this

1078
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,040
feeling and it's like yes so how much

1079
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:07,760
time do you think it was i have no clue

1080
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,920
honestly i could not tell you it could

1081
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,000
have been a blink it could have been

1082
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,920
20 minutes it could have been 30 minutes

1083
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,280
i don't know

1084
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:17,760
break was still going on so

1085
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,320
yeah it was still during the break

1086
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:22,560
now as far as you know were any of the

1087
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,720
children at all in denial of the whole

1088
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,320
thing

1089
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,880
um i mean not that i know of i think

1090
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,960
there may be some people who chose not

1091
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:32,560
to talk about it

1092
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:36,480
um of course who maybe did see

1093
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,480
something similar something more i have

1094
00:40:42,550 --> 00:40:40,960
no idea um

1095
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,560
most of the people

1096
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:43,839
there are also a lot of people on the

1097
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,960
playground who did not see anything

1098
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,880
you know who who were who were in our

1099
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,359
year and who were in the exact same part

1100
00:40:54,310 --> 00:40:53,280
of the playground who did not see

1101
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,320
anything

1102
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,400
isn't that amazing yeah i think you know

1103
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:58,720
there's also uh

1104
00:41:03,030 --> 00:41:01,520
that's true um and also there's a the

1105
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,040
great ones and twos were never

1106
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,520
interviewed uh and they were never taken

1107
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,680
into account as far as what they had

1108
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:08,880
seen

1109
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:11,040
um i just wanted to throw that in there

1110
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,240
that they're

1111
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,319
the great there were several

1112
00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,880
uh grade ones and twos who were never

1113
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,480
interviewed that i have interviewed that

1114
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:20,720
that witnessed that that day

1115
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,319
that um

1116
00:41:26,230 --> 00:41:23,920
so you know they all they talk about

1117
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:26,240
this number of being 60 children

1118
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:28,319
i personally think it was a lot more

1119
00:41:33,190 --> 00:41:30,880
than that um

1120
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:33,200
because of the grade ones and twos that

1121
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:34,560
were not uh

1122
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,960
didn't do uh personal interviews at that

1123
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,240
time with them because the school wanted

1124
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,760
to protect them

1125
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,480
uh that came from the headmaster himself

1126
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:46,400
um but yeah it is odd that there were

1127
00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,839
some people uh that did not see anything

1128
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:51,520
at all uh

1129
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,560
that were there um and it did it did

1130
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:56,000
also

1131
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:56,960
uh

1132
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:59,280
seem to rely on where they were you know

1133
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:00,839
their position on the

1134
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,359
field uh i think everybody at the edge

1135
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,440
of the playground i think everybody most

1136
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:07,119
everybody saw that

1137
00:42:10,309 --> 00:42:08,319
um

1138
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,319
but uh

1139
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
and they you know everybody saw it from

1140
00:42:15,910 --> 00:42:14,400
their own perspective you know

1141
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,920
certain things certain people saw it

1142
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,040
from

1143
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,560
uh

1144
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,920
saw different things because of the

1145
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:21,359
position they were in

1146
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:23,520
anyway i just wanted to say that

1147
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,560
yeah thank you

1148
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,240
yeah

1149
00:42:30,150 --> 00:42:28,720
so uh selma

1150
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:30,160
there was a question that came in the

1151
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:31,599
chat room

1152
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,319
um do you talk with any students as

1153
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,480
adults about the incident now you kind

1154
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:37,680
of mentioned that you kind of put this

1155
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,839
away for a while but now that it's come

1156
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,520
back into your life

1157
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,520
have you been able to engage with fellow

1158
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:46,160
students now about this

1159
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,079
yes um three in particular um

1160
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:52,000
we spoke we first

1161
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:54,000
spoke and saw each other for the first

1162
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:55,280
time since

1163
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:56,880
since the incident

1164
00:42:59,230 --> 00:42:58,480
uh

1165
00:43:04,630 --> 00:42:59,240
in

1166
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:04,640
we've been able to

1167
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,960
more about

1168
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,599
our own experiences and and how our

1169
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,240
experiences have shaped us

1170
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:16,160
but it took a long time and and i

1171
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,079
wouldn't say i talked to everyone who

1172
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:19,920
has had this experience because i'm not

1173
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:21,440
really i mean everybody has their own

1174
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:23,680
lives but there are there are three at

1175
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:27,599
least three whom i do i do connect with

1176
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,920
that's great um now

1177
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,920
uh randy and you have both just talked

1178
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,480
about different perspectives and some

1179
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,079
people not seeing it

1180
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,079
how about the recounting of this you

1181
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,319
know a lot of times i talk about memory

1182
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:42,079
is infallible and

1183
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,839
you know sometimes people remember

1184
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,599
things totally different than it really

1185
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,000
happened do you see uh mostly

1186
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,839
consistencies

1187
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,920
uh well let's say let's go all the way

1188
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:53,520
back to when it happened

1189
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,760
did people see basically the same thing

1190
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,319
i mentioned earlier that you know one

1191
00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:00,160
kid said it had long hair and you didn't

1192
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,359
see any hair

1193
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:03,520
so were there were there inconsistencies

1194
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:06,640
and did did the deniers or the the

1195
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,400
people that were trying to debunk it did

1196
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,560
they focus on that and say hey look you

1197
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:11,599
know this is

1198
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,800
this is uh

1199
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:15,119
uh did you have to deal with any of that

1200
00:44:17,910 --> 00:44:16,560
not really i mean

1201
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,920
you know they're

1202
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,200
the

1203
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:22,960
was that

1204
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:26,000
uh over time um

1205
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:27,680
these children were interviewed over and

1206
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:29,599
over and over and over again

1207
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,000
um and the

1208
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,400
what struck me was that the story was

1209
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:36,640
the same the basic outline of the story

1210
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:38,160
was the same

1211
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,800
um the description of the craft this

1212
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:42,720
description of the being

1213
00:44:51,750 --> 00:44:49,030
it uh i you know i don't i've not really

1214
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,760
met or talked with any debunkers that

1215
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:53,599
know enough about the story to even have

1216
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:55,200
a conversation with

1217
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,720
to be honest

1218
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:59,040
um

1219
00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:59,920
you know

1220
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,119
memory is infallible um and cynthia hind

1221
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,680
who covered this story

1222
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,640
uh in uh

1223
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,640
or fallible is that the right word

1224
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,240
uh maybe that's what maybe i said it

1225
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:13,520
wrong yeah yeah

1226
00:45:18,230 --> 00:45:16,000
it is it is fallible and because when

1227
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,240
somebody's in a car accident you have

1228
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:20,240
everybody saw the same thing but people

1229
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,240
see different things about what happened

1230
00:45:25,270 --> 00:45:24,160
and their accounts are different

1231
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,280
um and

1232
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,520
cynthia hein who originally investigated

1233
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:29,680
this uh for mufon

1234
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,119
she said that's what really convinced

1235
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:33,280
her the most about the witness testimony

1236
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,440
was their testimony was not all the same

1237
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:39,920
she said if this was a fabricated story

1238
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:40,720
or

1239
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:45,200
be the same but every every child that

1240
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,400
was interviewed

1241
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,960
morning

1242
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:49,920
they

1243
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:52,000
all had their own experience of the

1244
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,119
story

1245
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:55,760
you know that uh

1246
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,480
it was unique to them

1247
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,960
you know and i think that's yeah

1248
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:02,720
also you know kind of what i'm

1249
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,839
concentrating on this film is to um

1250
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,400
this is a people story you know these

1251
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:11,040
people that real people credible solid

1252
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:12,240
people who

1253
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,800
witnessed something extraordinary

1254
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,800
and uh

1255
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,079
you know why can't we have these

1256
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,839
conversations

1257
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,079
about this these incidents these types

1258
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:24,240
of incidents because they do happen

1259
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,079
and uh i think we need we need to learn

1260
00:46:32,309 --> 00:46:30,960
try to learn something from them

1261
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,319
yeah agree

1262
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,240
great um so

1263
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,319
i want to ask selma

1264
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,839
what has

1265
00:46:43,109 --> 00:46:40,000
you talked earlier about how you think

1266
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,119
the accident you were in prior to this

1267
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,079
and also this has shaped your life can

1268
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:48,400
you talk about how this incident in

1269
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,520
particular

1270
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,680
how it has shaped your life differently

1271
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,119
than it may have been if it didn't

1272
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:54,720
happen

1273
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,920
sure um i mean i think i'm continuing to

1274
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,079
learn how it's shaping my life that's

1275
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:01,920
that's a a constant

1276
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:02,720
um

1277
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:06,000
learning curve and will be but i i think

1278
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:13,829
the fact that there was more than just

1279
00:47:18,069 --> 00:47:15,680
us out there

1280
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,079
because whatever i had seen was not of

1281
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:21,200
this place it was nothing that i could

1282
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:22,800
connect my

1283
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,680
11 year old mind too

1284
00:47:29,589 --> 00:47:27,359
so it definitely opened up my mind in

1285
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:29,599
that sense that i i just became

1286
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,800
i feel um i think i became

1287
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,880
very open-minded

1288
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,800
because i never doubted what i saw i

1289
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,960
didn't i may not have understood it

1290
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:40,880
but i never doubted it and i knew that

1291
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:42,319
there was a reason that i had seen what

1292
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:45,599
i had seen and so i definitely

1293
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,920
i mean how close-minded can you be at 11

1294
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:51,200
but it it forced me i think it's

1295
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,720
definitely shaped

1296
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,240
a lot of things that have happened that

1297
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,720
happen i always try and keep an open an

1298
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,640
open mind about it and and i know that

1299
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,440
anything is possible and

1300
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:03,119
there's definitely more than just us out

1301
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:04,160
there

1302
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,040
wow yeah so it's giving you

1303
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,119
you know there's a lot of people that

1304
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,800
um think there's going to be panic in

1305
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,720
the world if the story gets out there

1306
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:14,640
that there's someone and i don't think

1307
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:17,680
so i think a lot of people may kind of

1308
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,599
handle it the way you have and basically

1309
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,559
that is

1310
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,079
you know we're not alone i mean there's

1311
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:25,920
a quote out there saying

1312
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,040
um either we're totally alone or there's

1313
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:30,800
life out there either way it's very

1314
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:32,480
scary

1315
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,200
yeah right well and i mean in in terms

1316
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:36,960
of like chaos we

1317
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:39,839
we live in that already really yeah so

1318
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:43,520
it's all about perspective and how

1319
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:46,079
and how we can use

1320
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:47,440
this incident

1321
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,839
to connect to other people's incidences

1322
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,920
of of these experiences or similar

1323
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,839
experiences or incidences that are

1324
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,079
happening more recently or have happened

1325
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,000
more recently and understand that

1326
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:00,000
there's obviously a pattern here for

1327
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:01,280
something that we need to pay attention

1328
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:04,559
to not in a

1329
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,520
scary way but in a way that we in a way

1330
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,119
of understanding

1331
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:11,359
and i think that that's for us to create

1332
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,280
this this film is something that helps

1333
00:49:16,549 --> 00:49:15,200
create the discourse on what that might

1334
00:49:19,270 --> 00:49:16,559
look like

1335
00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,280
yeah i i really think that's important

1336
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:21,520
because uh thank you for saying that uh

1337
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,720
salma

1338
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,880
yeah i think that's uh we need to have a

1339
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,440
conversation about this and and not in

1340
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,640
the

1341
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:30,800
our families open media and

1342
00:49:34,870 --> 00:49:32,720
i i kind of think i know what you're

1343
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,880
saying martin about the uh panic people

1344
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,480
talk about that

1345
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,480
um i just i really have a feeling that

1346
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,880
something like this um

1347
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,880
will bring us together in a way that

1348
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,800
we've never seen before

1349
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:48,000
um because we're you know we get in our

1350
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,280
spats about

1351
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,960
our different races and our different

1352
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:52,400
religions but we're talking about

1353
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,319
something else from somewhere else

1354
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:56,000
that may have evolved somewhere else i

1355
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:57,040
don't know

1356
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,640
uh but

1357
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,680
i i think the potential for a complete

1358
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,160
uh change in a really

1359
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,040
um a good way for humanity

1360
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,760
is possible through disclosure of this

1361
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,520
um you know and i gotta say

1362
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,440
like i think anybody that starts

1363
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:15,920
researching this and this was a film

1364
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:16,880
uh

1365
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,800
you do your research making a film and

1366
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,640
you start to learn about what this

1367
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:21,920
phenomenon

1368
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:24,079
is about and you learn about all these

1369
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:25,520
other cases

1370
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:28,960
around the world and it really

1371
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,839
i i just want to just say that like you

1372
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,920
know you don't really understand how

1373
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:35,440
rampant or

1374
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,440
widespread this phenomenon is until you

1375
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,119
really look into it

1376
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,599
and it's not at the ufo conferences or

1377
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,440
things like that it's it's it's from

1378
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:44,880
real people

1379
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,559
um and you hear their stories and um

1380
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,960
and how much it's affected them

1381
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,319
and uh

1382
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,480
changed their lives and

1383
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,960
i just feel we need to um

1384
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:58,800
and that's what this film is aimed to do

1385
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,040
it's like let's talk about it you know

1386
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:03,760
yeah yeah uh i think that's good uh

1387
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,280
salma there is someone in the message

1388
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,280
room that want to know do you think it

1389
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:10,640
had any type of impact on your dreams or

1390
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:13,520
intuitive abilities

1391
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,400
yes

1392
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,960
i do actually um

1393
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,119
i mean i understand that it did now i

1394
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,440
don't think that i did for a number of

1395
00:51:27,270 --> 00:51:24,720
years it took it took me a while um

1396
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:30,230
i i am somebody who

1397
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,240
i i like to help people i like to to be

1398
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:36,319
there for anyone other than myself

1399
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:37,520
really which is not always the

1400
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,200
healthiest but anybody that is not fully

1401
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,440
represented which is what i feel

1402
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,040
that experience was it was like i don't

1403
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,520
know what you are so i don't understand

1404
00:51:51,510 --> 00:51:48,839
who you are

1405
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,520
um so i'm going to work toward

1406
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,480
understanding more and that's what

1407
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:55,760
that's what i've

1408
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,319
str i strive to do that on a daily basis

1409
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:01,200
my education has been in um you know

1410
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,760
human rights in

1411
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,119
international

1412
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,040
uh relations and how we can work

1413
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,200
together in figuring out how

1414
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:10,960
working together helps people so i

1415
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,319
definitely think that it's helped with

1416
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,640
that in terms of my intuition

1417
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:16,880
yes i think so as well in in varying

1418
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:20,640
degrees for many things yeah oh that's

1419
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,079
great now

1420
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,920
when this happened

1421
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,800
how

1422
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:27,200
long would you say it was before people

1423
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,920
started talking about the possibility of

1424
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:32,160
being visited by an extraterrestrial as

1425
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,599
the answer to what you had no idea of

1426
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:36,480
i think

1427
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,160
gosh i don't know it may have even been

1428
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,839
the first interview

1429
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,359
which i don't remember who it was i

1430
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:45,599
think the first interview was either

1431
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:50,000
sabc it wasn't zbc zbc was not the first

1432
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:51,119
that's true

1433
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:53,520
crew that came i remember that i think

1434
00:52:58,549 --> 00:52:56,240
the first crew may have been sabc or bbc

1435
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:58,559
to be honest yeah it was bbc

1436
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:01,119
it was because i have it was bbc right

1437
00:53:04,950 --> 00:53:02,960
because i i remember i have i had an

1438
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,960
aunt that lived there and she saw me on

1439
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:06,559
the on the news or wherever it was

1440
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,800
broadcast and she called my mom and said

1441
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,839
um

1442
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,200
what's going on

1443
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:13,280
and so i was like oh gosh yeah i guess i

1444
00:53:16,950 --> 00:53:14,880
should probably tell my parents about

1445
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,960
this and that's when i told them that's

1446
00:53:21,589 --> 00:53:19,599
when i told them um

1447
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,599
but

1448
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,160
yeah it was

1449
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:26,400
it was it was interesting that

1450
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:28,079
our own local crew was not the first

1451
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:29,440
ones on

1452
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,440
on site yeah i could i can speak to a

1453
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,280
little bit about that it was brought up

1454
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:35,599
initially as uh by some of the kids that

1455
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,800
it was you know uh some kind of alien or

1456
00:53:43,750 --> 00:53:40,880
something that wasn't of this world

1457
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:43,760
but uh the bbc when they got there uh

1458
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:45,680
they were very skeptical

1459
00:53:48,309 --> 00:53:46,880
and saying are you sure you didn't see a

1460
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,319
helicopter

1461
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,640
air force jet i mean he went through the

1462
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:52,720
the reporter just kept asking over and

1463
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,800
over you sure it wasn't a

1464
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:57,119
black zimbabwean that you saw

1465
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,960
i mean it was very yeah so

1466
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:03,119
so they had a rough they they really

1467
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:05,440
they had to fight for this they had to

1468
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,640
fight in a way that all the all the kids

1469
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,640
uh in a way that i don't think people

1470
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,000
understand yet

1471
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,720
but uh to be believed

1472
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,040
because there was a lot of people around

1473
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,720
him including the teachers and the staff

1474
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,839
initially

1475
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,599
that uh

1476
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:24,160
just didn't believe them you know but

1477
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,559
except for a few that really knew the

1478
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,599
kids

1479
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:29,920
uh and knew that they would not come

1480
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,720
running into a staff meeting in a panic

1481
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,400
uh telling them about this thing they

1482
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,640
saw they just knew that they had they

1483
00:54:39,430 --> 00:54:38,480
had seen something that really disturbed

1484
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:39,440
them

1485
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:40,319
um

1486
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:41,920
but it yeah i mean i gotta hand it to

1487
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,960
them they have really as a group

1488
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,079
um

1489
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:48,559
stuck together and uh

1490
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,800
demanded to be believed

1491
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,640
yeah and you don't do that for a made-up

1492
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:54,240
story you don't do that for hopes you

1493
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:57,119
don't do that for a minute story

1494
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,400
you certainly don't do that for a live

1495
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:00,000
for something you don't believe in and

1496
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,920
and though thank you for reminding me of

1497
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,760
that randall because you know it's been

1498
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,520
so long we were interviewed by so many

1499
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,119
people i don't remember

1500
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,880
who all of them were but that was

1501
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,880
definitely one of the crew where that i

1502
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,480
was referring to earlier martin in the

1503
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:13,760
sense that you know some of the

1504
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:15,680
naysayers that i felt like they were

1505
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,400
just there to do a job they were not

1506
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:21,119
interested um in really what we had to

1507
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,359
say nor really believed us

1508
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:25,040
because i think if you're grilling an 11

1509
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:26,079
year old

1510
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,440
degree i mean goodness

1511
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:34,000
right how how long would you say uh i

1512
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,440
know the time thing you were talking

1513
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:36,400
about

1514
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,760
but did the

1515
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:39,760
uh teachers actually go outside and try

1516
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,680
to see what everyone was seeing was

1517
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:44,160
there ever that point or was or had it

1518
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:45,280
vanished

1519
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,599
let me see if i if i remember this it

1520
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:49,200
took a while for the teachers to come

1521
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:51,599
out by the way they did not come out

1522
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:52,880
immediately

1523
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:54,720
is my recollection

1524
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,000
they took they took some time um to come

1525
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:59,839
to come out whether they were finishing

1526
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:00,960
up what they were doing or they just

1527
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:03,760
thought oh you know these kids are

1528
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:06,400
overreacting i don't know but i think it

1529
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,920
took one

1530
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:09,760
teacher or some teachers maybe like

1531
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:11,520
stepping out to see what was going on on

1532
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,720
the playground

1533
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,240
um

1534
00:56:18,150 --> 00:56:15,920
and then they saw that you know panic

1535
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:18,160
that people were crying it was just

1536
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:21,359
not a normal day on the playground um

1537
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:23,119
i don't know exactly how long it took

1538
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,559
maybe 10 minutes

1539
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,880
for them to come maybe 15

1540
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:28,400
i honestly don't know i know they did

1541
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,079
not come out immediately because the

1542
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:32,079
people that went to call them went

1543
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:33,920
called them told them came back to the

1544
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,359
playground and said we told them but

1545
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,599
they don't believe us

1546
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,079
yeah that's true i could verify that and

1547
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,480
uh two teachers uh

1548
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,400
a grade three teacher

1549
00:56:48,549 --> 00:56:46,640
uh and the shona teacher with the two

1550
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:48,559
teachers that came out for the first to

1551
00:56:53,109 --> 00:56:51,200
come out and then mr vernon came out

1552
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:53,119
uh a little later

1553
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:54,160
so

1554
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,079
that's the the benefit of having all the

1555
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,280
archival and having a lot of people to

1556
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,960
find out all the little details which i

1557
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:02,720
can't wait to share i've told some of

1558
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,000
this before

1559
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,920
you know to share

1560
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:07,920
with the kids with the people that were

1561
00:57:12,390 --> 00:57:10,079
there like all the details you know like

1562
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,400
how it went down yeah and uh because i

1563
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,640
think it'll be valuable for their own

1564
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,720
understanding and healing or how you

1565
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,720
know it's i would if something like that

1566
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:20,480
happened to me in that way

1567
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,799
i would want to know as much as possible

1568
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:25,440
and i can't wait to uh really

1569
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,799
you know give give them that information

1570
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,040
um in the chat room uh michael wanted to

1571
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:33,359
know what would you say if someone

1572
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:35,119
said that these beings were from another

1573
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,480
dimension

1574
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,200
has anybody ever brought that up to you

1575
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,040
what would what would i say yeah what

1576
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,920
would you say to that yeah

1577
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,960
i would say

1578
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:47,359
maybe i know they're not from here so

1579
00:57:51,910 --> 00:57:49,440
they're definitely from somewhere else

1580
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:51,920
you know where that is i i don't know

1581
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,839
um but i think that that's a good way to

1582
00:57:57,990 --> 00:57:55,520
start a conversation

1583
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:58,000
yeah and you know start a dialogue about

1584
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,680
about that so

1585
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,200
and and that was uh

1586
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,359
in my opinion that was a perfect answer

1587
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:05,520
um and also in the chat room someone

1588
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,640
wanted to know

1589
00:58:11,910 --> 00:58:08,240
uh you talked earlier about it was a

1590
00:58:15,030 --> 00:58:11,920
christian school mostly right uh yes did

1591
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:15,040
that apparently affect your religion or

1592
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:16,640
anyone that you know like to all of a

1593
00:58:21,270 --> 00:58:19,680
sudden think that was extraterrestrial

1594
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:21,280
not that i know of i can only speak for

1595
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,160
myself and um i mean when we left when

1596
00:58:28,230 --> 00:58:26,160
we leave primary school you're 12. so i

1597
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,240
don't know if you've fully formed what

1598
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:29,520
you

1599
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:32,799
think yet at all i highly doubt it um

1600
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,280
but for me it did not i think i mean it

1601
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:39,440
didn't really correlate with anything

1602
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,880
i'd been taught

1603
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,720
but i wouldn't say it necessarily went

1604
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,640
against it entirely

1605
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:46,799
um but i also

1606
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,240
have my own

1607
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:50,400
sense and my own mind to

1608
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,880
deconstruct what that means

1609
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,119
to me and what

1610
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,359
my upbringing means to me

1611
00:59:00,950 --> 00:58:59,680
and find a median in between i don't

1612
00:59:03,670 --> 00:59:00,960
think

1613
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:03,680
that you know one determines the other

1614
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,920
i think they're completely separate

1615
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:08,319
okay so in the in the

1616
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,680
years of let's say suppression or

1617
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:12,880
the years that you didn't want to think

1618
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,839
about it

1619
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,160
did you have like certain triggers like

1620
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,480
something like all of a sudden you'd see

1621
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:19,440
um

1622
00:59:22,789 --> 00:59:21,280
you know a movie coming out about

1623
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,799
extraterrestrials or something like that

1624
00:59:27,109 --> 00:59:24,799
did you have some things that would like

1625
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:27,119
bring you back to the reality of of what

1626
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:28,319
happened

1627
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:30,240
yes there were always people asking me

1628
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,799
at school um when i went to height yes

1629
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:35,040
when i went to high school there were

1630
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,200
there were maybe

1631
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:39,040
three people from my primary school

1632
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,400
three or four people from my primary

1633
00:59:44,390 --> 00:59:42,240
school who who were in the same grade as

1634
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:44,400
me when we moved to high school and we

1635
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:45,680
went to the same high school together so

1636
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:48,160
that story definitely spread also

1637
00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:50,160
you know um

1638
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:51,520
you you don't all go to the same high

1639
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,720
school so people kind of ask what

1640
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:54,160
primary school you went to and people be

1641
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,319
like oh ariel that's where you know

1642
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:58,000
that's where you saw the ufos and then

1643
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,440
then it would be like wait weren't you

1644
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,119
on tv um

1645
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,359
or they'd ask did you see did you see

1646
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,760
the ufos or was you know what did you

1647
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,520
see uh so

1648
01:00:12,069 --> 01:00:09,359
they were they were reminders over the

1649
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,079
courses of the years yeah you do quite a

1650
01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:13,520
few

1651
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,240
a lot of times uh did you always answer

1652
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,599
honestly or did you say you didn't want

1653
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:19,440
to talk about it

1654
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,880
i always answered honestly if somebody

1655
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,880
asked me what i saw i would tell them

1656
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:24,240
if they asked me

1657
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,480
if i saw ufos i would say well i saw

1658
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,119
something not from here if they wanted

1659
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,960
to have a conversation about how i

1660
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:32,319
hadn't seen

1661
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,720
what i what i had seen i would just end

1662
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,319
the conversation and walk away because i

1663
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:38,559
had no capacity for that like i was not

1664
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,119
going to have my own experience

1665
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:43,440
diminished by someone else's inability

1666
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,400
to even have an open mind to try to

1667
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:47,920
understand

1668
01:00:52,470 --> 01:00:50,960
what i what my experience was while well

1669
01:00:54,470 --> 01:00:52,480
while like wrapping it under some

1670
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,480
falsification of the fact that they kid

1671
01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,880
because they really didn't

1672
01:01:00,069 --> 01:00:58,640
i i have to tell you this because i'm

1673
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,079
kind of getting a little chuckle out of

1674
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:02,160
it and that is i have someone in the

1675
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:03,680
chat room who's

1676
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,400
uh he's very well let's just say he's

1677
01:01:11,910 --> 01:01:08,880
not really generous with my guests

1678
01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:11,920
um okay he usually finds fault with them

1679
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:13,280
he's gonna laugh when he hears me say

1680
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:16,160
that but here is his phrase this lady is

1681
01:01:20,230 --> 01:01:18,079
one of the most intelligent incredible

1682
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,240
witnesses i've heard

1683
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:22,240
oh my thank you

1684
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:25,359
so i had to i had to say that because

1685
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:28,160
this is probably one of the only nice

1686
01:01:32,950 --> 01:01:30,319
things he said he said i'm gonna give

1687
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:32,960
him a hug i am very honored for for me

1688
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,599
to have uh been a recipient of a nice of

1689
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,839
a nice thing that he said thank you i i

1690
01:01:40,470 --> 01:01:39,200
genuinely

1691
01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,480
appreciate

1692
01:01:43,510 --> 01:01:41,920
anybody who

1693
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:43,520
who is interested

1694
01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:45,440
um you know i've never asked anybody to

1695
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:46,559
believe

1696
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:47,839
in what

1697
01:01:53,829 --> 01:01:51,280
i believe i saw i just ask for

1698
01:01:55,109 --> 01:01:53,839
a conversation about it and to not

1699
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,119
discredit it and shut it down

1700
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,880
immediately and so

1701
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,559
you know i think that there's a lot more

1702
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,160
space to do that now than they than

1703
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:02,160
there was in 1994

1704
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:04,000
um we also live and i live in a

1705
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,359
different country

1706
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:06,559
um

1707
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:09,119
to where i did before that was very

1708
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:10,799
very suppressed at that time i don't

1709
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,480
know what it's like now randall has been

1710
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:14,559
back to my homeland

1711
01:02:18,230 --> 01:02:16,799
more recently than i have so he can he

1712
01:02:19,030 --> 01:02:18,240
can speak to that

1713
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,040
but

1714
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,240
i think that we are in um we've kind of

1715
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,720
taken a turn i think it's safe to say

1716
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,240
where we have

1717
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:29,119
the the room to have these conversations

1718
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:32,319
yeah i'm very very appreciative of that

1719
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:36,400
yeah and i i think that uh you know the

1720
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:38,240
the science is opening this these

1721
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,680
conversations up

1722
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:41,119
because they're

1723
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,480
i i believe

1724
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,520
uh you're right on there samo just

1725
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:47,520
you know that we weren't talking about

1726
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,920
other planets 10 years ago

1727
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,440
knowing that other planets that could

1728
01:02:56,630 --> 01:02:53,920
possibly support life out there

1729
01:02:58,309 --> 01:02:56,640
are out there and we know that now so

1730
01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:58,319
i mean i think science is i mean we

1731
01:03:02,950 --> 01:03:00,960
might want to start looking at well yeah

1732
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:02,960
maybe microbial life and all that but

1733
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:04,240
what if

1734
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,960
uh real

1735
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:11,280
how is it going to manifest in our world

1736
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,760
and has it done that already

1737
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:15,760
and we just have we missed it so it has

1738
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,599
science missed it that's that's a

1739
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:19,039
possibility i think that's why the

1740
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,319
conversation

1741
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,079
is going to keep opening

1742
01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:24,480
and events like this uh are important

1743
01:03:27,270 --> 01:03:25,760
and uh

1744
01:03:30,230 --> 01:03:27,280
you know there's

1745
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,240
this event in particular has an enormous

1746
01:03:33,750 --> 01:03:32,319
amount of credible people

1747
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:33,760
um who

1748
01:03:37,750 --> 01:03:36,640
uh witnessed a single event

1749
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,760
um

1750
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:40,160
yes so it's important yeah

1751
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,760
like i said in the beginning i i do

1752
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:43,839
think this is one of the most important

1753
01:03:50,710 --> 01:03:46,319
cases and i was really excited

1754
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:52,309
this sounds like it i'm wrapping it up

1755
01:03:55,670 --> 01:03:54,319
and it's not but it's a question that i

1756
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,680
just don't want to forget to ask where

1757
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:56,880
do you

1758
01:04:03,349 --> 01:04:01,520
hope that this film the aerial phenomena

1759
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:03,359
will bring this

1760
01:04:05,829 --> 01:04:04,720
what do you hope

1761
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,839
that will

1762
01:04:11,589 --> 01:04:07,760
change or help

1763
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,470
is that a question for me or yes

1764
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:16,799
well i'll i'll i'll ask him as well but

1765
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:20,079
no for you okay yeah yeah oh i so i

1766
01:04:22,470 --> 01:04:21,039
think

1767
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,480
sorry um

1768
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,440
martin it's been a long day i think that

1769
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:26,960
my hope

1770
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,280
is that this

1771
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,480
this film

1772
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:32,480
will open people's minds

1773
01:04:35,829 --> 01:04:33,760
to

1774
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,839
at least having the conversation

1775
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:38,160
about the fact that

1776
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,839
these things could exist there's other

1777
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:42,079
life out there i think that

1778
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:43,920
showcasing children

1779
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,079
um who

1780
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:49,119
had very limited

1781
01:04:52,829 --> 01:04:50,000
very

1782
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,839
like no outside influence at all on

1783
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:54,400
what

1784
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,079
this experience could have been but

1785
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,319
we're still brave enough to speak up

1786
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,599
about it

1787
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,520
should attest to the fact that

1788
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,839
we're telling the truth and what we saw

1789
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,760
was real and genuine and that there are

1790
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,960
other people out there who have

1791
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:08,400
experienced and will continue to

1792
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:10,640
experience um

1793
01:05:13,829 --> 01:05:12,240
things like this and that we should be

1794
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,839
talking about it and understanding what

1795
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:16,079
it means as opposed to just not talking

1796
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:17,680
about it and worrying about who will

1797
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:19,520
believe us and who won't

1798
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:20,880
that's my hope of what this film would

1799
01:05:24,470 --> 01:05:22,799
bring i don't know i've seen very small

1800
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:24,480
snippets of it so i don't know what it

1801
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:25,280
all

1802
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:27,760
entails like i i know

1803
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:29,680
randall is a magic worker so it's going

1804
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:32,240
to be a lot more than that but for me my

1805
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:34,960
takeaway in what i think and my hope was

1806
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:37,200
that i brought to the film um was that

1807
01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:40,880
that i could simply tell my story

1808
01:05:45,910 --> 01:05:43,039
tell my truth and we could have a

1809
01:05:49,270 --> 01:05:45,920
conversation about it

1810
01:05:51,109 --> 01:05:49,280
yeah i love it that's really good oh so

1811
01:05:53,109 --> 01:05:51,119
well i might as well ask you that

1812
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,119
question too randy again i'm not

1813
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:55,119
wrapping it up we still have

1814
01:06:01,190 --> 01:05:58,240
uh 20 some odd minutes left here no i i

1815
01:06:03,349 --> 01:06:01,200
i it's an important question because uh

1816
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:03,359
i'm trying in this film i'm trying to

1817
01:06:08,069 --> 01:06:05,599
address it not as a

1818
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:08,079
uh woo-woo factor you know special

1819
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:10,240
effects kind of thing about

1820
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,680
you know ufos and aliens i'm trying to

1821
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:15,039
uh

1822
01:06:23,829 --> 01:06:20,480
you know there's a lot of different

1823
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:23,839
events that people go through uh that

1824
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:26,160
they don't they don't get to be heard

1825
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:28,240
uh and this is one of them and it's it's

1826
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,240
very similar to other events that happen

1827
01:06:33,430 --> 01:06:32,559
to people in the world where they they

1828
01:06:36,630 --> 01:06:33,440
um

1829
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:36,640
either are ridiculed and not accepted

1830
01:06:40,710 --> 01:06:37,760
um

1831
01:06:43,109 --> 01:06:40,720
and this particular one is very i think

1832
01:06:47,190 --> 01:06:43,119
very important um

1833
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:47,200
and also that um

1834
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:49,760
uh you know the tagline to our our uh

1835
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:52,240
the film is what what uh

1836
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,680
what do you do when you experience

1837
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:55,680
something so extraordinary and no one

1838
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:57,039
believes you

1839
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:58,559
i mean what do you do and most people

1840
01:07:02,750 --> 01:07:00,880
and john mack talked about this and many

1841
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,760
other people have but

1842
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:05,680
a lot of these people go inside and they

1843
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,160
don't talk about it they stay silent

1844
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:09,680
and i can't tell you how many people

1845
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:12,400
i've met that even outside of this

1846
01:07:16,470 --> 01:07:15,280
particular incident uh you know who just

1847
01:07:19,109 --> 01:07:16,480
don't talk about it they've had an

1848
01:07:21,510 --> 01:07:19,119
extraordinary experience and uh

1849
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:21,520
they don't tell their own family

1850
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:22,799
they

1851
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,680
talk about it because of fear of not

1852
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:31,039
being accepted

1853
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:34,240
uh so i hope my biggest hope is that

1854
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:37,119
that that this film helps to change that

1855
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,160
um

1856
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:40,640
so it can just be like adults and just

1857
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,270
that's my biggest hope

1858
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:49,680
well that's great so randy along those

1859
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:50,960
lines

1860
01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:52,640
have you reached out to some of the

1861
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:55,280
witnesses and they just don't want to

1862
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:56,480
talk about it

1863
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,920
yes

1864
01:08:02,549 --> 01:08:00,079
and uh what would you say a percentage i

1865
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:02,559
mean is there a percentage of people

1866
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,710
i you know

1867
01:08:13,190 --> 01:08:10,559
i would say i'm trying to

1868
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,200
add that and do the math here

1869
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,760
i would say a good 40 percent

1870
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:16,880
wow

1871
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:19,120
yeah and then and and there's a lot of

1872
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:21,279
people also that i just couldn't get to

1873
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:22,159
that i

1874
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:23,759
that were willing to be interviewed but

1875
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,239
they were all over the world in germany

1876
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:28,080
and new zealand and

1877
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,359
um

1878
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,960
but i spoke to quite a few of them but

1879
01:08:35,030 --> 01:08:32,560
there's also a lot of people that

1880
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,040
witnessed this that uh

1881
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,520
that i spoke with but were not willing

1882
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:39,440
to be on camera

1883
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,159
they were afraid um

1884
01:08:46,630 --> 01:08:43,920
and there were just there's a lot of

1885
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:46,640
witnesses that i know exist that i never

1886
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,679
found

1887
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,440
that i mean i was just i was impressed

1888
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,600
by the amount of witnesses that weren't

1889
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:53,359
even at the aerial school

1890
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:54,640
that witnessed

1891
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:55,520
this

1892
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:58,159
uh event happening in in the surrounding

1893
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:59,279
time

1894
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,799
uh that i

1895
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,239
i knew there was some talk of a

1896
01:09:06,550 --> 01:09:05,040
meteorite entry or satellite and i

1897
01:09:08,070 --> 01:09:06,560
really went into that that was several

1898
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:08,080
days before

1899
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,440
but these these other witnesses uh were

1900
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:13,600
around that you know the day before the

1901
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:15,839
morning the day after

1902
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:17,120
um

1903
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:18,159
so

1904
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,759
yeah there's i know there's more

1905
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,839
witnesses out there that i was not able

1906
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,400
to find

1907
01:09:29,269 --> 01:09:26,960
wow um

1908
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,279
i think it's uh i think it's interesting

1909
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:31,520
that some peop some people don't want to

1910
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,040
talk about it i mean i understand when

1911
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:34,960
someone doesn't want to be on camera but

1912
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:37,920
that leads me to wonder if perhaps

1913
01:09:42,709 --> 01:09:39,759
they had a negative experience through

1914
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,719
this whole thing well we talked about uh

1915
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,759
when you guys were talking about

1916
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:46,000
religion so yeah ariel was a christian

1917
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:47,040
school

1918
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:50,640
but there were quite a few shona um

1919
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:53,440
who have their own religion and uh

1920
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:56,560
um like animism um

1921
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,520
and

1922
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,679
their interpretation

1923
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,520
uh you know they believe that it was

1924
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,679
their ancestors or

1925
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:04,719
you know there were different

1926
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:06,640
interpretations at the school

1927
01:10:10,229 --> 01:10:07,520
but

1928
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,239
one of the one of the uh witnesses that

1929
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:12,960
i we agreed to have an interview

1930
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:14,960
and uh

1931
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,440
we spoke on the phone and i went to

1932
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,920
interview him this was in south africa

1933
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:22,239
and i got to the interview site and he's

1934
01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,000
he said you know look i don't i don't

1935
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,560
want to do it and i said well we talked

1936
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:28,640
about it and i and i said

1937
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:31,199
i asked him i said well what what what's

1938
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:32,400
why

1939
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,199
up this time and what's what's the

1940
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,960
reason you don't want to go into it i

1941
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,719
mean i was open to accepting it and he

1942
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:43,280
said well i feel like that it had

1943
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,830
and i was like

1944
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,679
and well it was interesting and i said

1945
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,120
okay um

1946
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,280
i don't think that's you know i told him

1947
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:54,719
my personal opinion

1948
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:55,760
but i

1949
01:11:00,709 --> 01:10:58,719
i i walked away from that thinking

1950
01:11:01,830 --> 01:11:00,719
you know what something pretty big deal

1951
01:11:04,149 --> 01:11:01,840
happened there

1952
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,159
if even if it you know to even bring up

1953
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,400
the fact that

1954
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,640
it was something religious

1955
01:11:11,669 --> 01:11:10,159
that impactful

1956
01:11:13,110 --> 01:11:11,679
said a lot too

1957
01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:13,120
i really wish i could have interviewed

1958
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:15,360
him i wish he wasn't uh

1959
01:11:21,350 --> 01:11:18,960
so religious about it and in in

1960
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,360
in deciding you know he was afraid he

1961
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:23,040
was obviously afraid of what happened

1962
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:24,080
there

1963
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,120
um

1964
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:28,560
so religion did have an impact and

1965
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:30,480
it had an impact on these kids as a

1966
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,640
whole because the

1967
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,080
a lot of the the

1968
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,000
moms and dads were very christian and it

1969
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,640
was very hard to uh

1970
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,360
in in at that time to be open to the

1971
01:11:45,990 --> 01:11:44,159
possibility of this fitting into their

1972
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:46,000
worldview

1973
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:46,880
right

1974
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:49,679
i get that uh randy while i have you on

1975
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:51,760
right now and you probably can guess one

1976
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,440
of the number one questions that i'm

1977
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:55,760
being asked in the chat room and that is

1978
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,960
when will the film be out

1979
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,800
yeah it has been uh

1980
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,280
it has been a really difficult uh

1981
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:06,080
process to uh to uh make a film like

1982
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,159
this and make it

1983
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,000
as good as this and get the right people

1984
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,239
to work on it and that's been the goal

1985
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:14,400
so we're we're at a

1986
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,080
a really good place we're probably going

1987
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,800
to be close to a final in december

1988
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,480
but again i don't a lot of people i

1989
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,320
don't think understand how difficult it

1990
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:25,280
is to make a film of this size

1991
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,400
um

1992
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,400
it's you know i'm dealing with 600 hours

1993
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:31,920
of footage tons of archival footage

1994
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:33,920
and uh

1995
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:36,640
um you know the next step is i'm working

1996
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:38,080
it's going to be starting working with a

1997
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:39,600
composer and then we have to go color

1998
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:42,560
correction i mean we're looking at uh

1999
01:12:47,430 --> 01:12:45,040
february march at a release but that

2000
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:47,440
again depends on distributor you know we

2001
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,560
have a lot of

2002
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,960
but it's definitely going to happen uh

2003
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,320
um

2004
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:55,040
before the end of spring in 2018. that i

2005
01:12:57,910 --> 01:12:55,920
do know

2006
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,920
and you know uh this is sort of the

2007
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,080
final sprint to the finish line

2008
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:01,920
after all this time and all this

2009
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:04,080
research and all this uh retrieving and

2010
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:05,840
footage and interviews

2011
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:09,040
so uh yeah i'm very excited to yeah be

2012
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,719
able to ice to see the light at the end

2013
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,320
of the tunnel and get this out to the

2014
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,719
world for sure well i know you have a

2015
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:17,280
very high standard and

2016
01:13:22,390 --> 01:13:20,239
um you do a really an amazing job and

2017
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:22,400
your photography by the way

2018
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,920
is just incredible ah thank you sir yeah

2019
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,600
so i understand

2020
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,040
that you're not just trying to get

2021
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,120
something out you're trying to make it

2022
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,280
a piece that's going to be timeless i

2023
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,120
could have got i could have done this i

2024
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:37,040
could have got this movie out in two

2025
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:39,120
years and then

2026
01:13:42,709 --> 01:13:40,719
though then i started getting more

2027
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,719
information finding more people i'm like

2028
01:13:46,229 --> 01:13:44,320
you know this story

2029
01:13:47,830 --> 01:13:46,239
i'm only going to get one chance to tell

2030
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:47,840
this story

2031
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:51,120
and uh and i want to do it right because

2032
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:52,800
the story deserves it there's so many

2033
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,320
people in this story

2034
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,000
the reporters

2035
01:13:59,830 --> 01:13:58,239
the uh the witnesses involved the you

2036
01:14:01,430 --> 01:13:59,840
know salma

2037
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:01,440
so many others

2038
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,960
um

2039
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,960
uh the other you know there's just a lot

2040
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,360
of people that and i i like to do

2041
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,080
anybody that knows me like knows that i

2042
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,159
i i like to do things right even if it

2043
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,679
takes forever

2044
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,719
and um

2045
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,199
i i want to be proud of what what i've

2046
01:14:21,669 --> 01:14:19,199
done as far as a piece of work when i'm

2047
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:21,679
done and i want it to uh

2048
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,920
uh be something for the witnesses so

2049
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,480
they can have for themselves and to

2050
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:28,400
yeah to be timeless in the fact that

2051
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:29,840
okay

2052
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:32,480
uh this is the definitive

2053
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,800
uh coverage of this event you know for

2054
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,800
for historical purposes too

2055
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:38,239
like you said

2056
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:40,640
and i was glad to see that dan aykroyd

2057
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:41,920
stepped up and helped you out with a

2058
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:44,880
little promotional yeah dan fantastic

2059
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:47,760
yeah dan aykroyd was uh just a really

2060
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:48,560
good

2061
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,960
he's a really big-hearted man

2062
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:52,000
um

2063
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:53,360
and uh

2064
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:56,000
i had interviewed him because he was one

2065
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:57,920
of the last peoples to interview dr john

2066
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:58,719
mack

2067
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:00,000
from harvard

2068
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,040
really um yeah so because dan was

2069
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,760
planning on doing it like a

2070
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,840
a paranormal uh

2071
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,520
talk show and it never

2072
01:15:12,470 --> 01:15:10,640
launched

2073
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:12,480
so but i found out he had the interview

2074
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:15,840
and i got the interview from him and um

2075
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,239
and he agreed to i asked him would you

2076
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,400
be okay with me interviewing and he you

2077
01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:22,640
know donated his time and

2078
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,159
um

2079
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:26,480
yeah i've been getting a lot of uh great

2080
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,920
help from a lot of people like that um

2081
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:32,239
but we're still doing an indiegogo

2082
01:15:37,030 --> 01:15:34,400
we're still we're still raising funds

2083
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,040
it's it's been uh it's expensive boy i

2084
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:39,520
tell you you get in post production

2085
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:41,920
yeah we had a private conversation a

2086
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,520
while back and you were telling me about

2087
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:44,719
editing

2088
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,600
and uh how costly that is very oh my god

2089
01:15:53,110 --> 01:15:50,159
and so consuming um

2090
01:15:56,310 --> 01:15:53,120
all right salma back to you uh

2091
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,320
a question i have is um

2092
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,080
you said at the time you had you didn't

2093
01:16:02,390 --> 01:15:59,920
have any fear

2094
01:16:03,750 --> 01:16:02,400
um now do you think like if you saw

2095
01:16:05,750 --> 01:16:03,760
something again someone asked in the

2096
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:05,760
chat room if you ever had another any

2097
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,440
type of encounter

2098
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:09,840
i don't know if you have or have not but

2099
01:16:13,590 --> 01:16:11,840
um do you think you'd have fear this

2100
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:13,600
time or do you think you'd it'd be the

2101
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:16,239
same way if you had to guess

2102
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:18,000
i think

2103
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,440
if i had to guess if i had the

2104
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:21,040
experience again

2105
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,800
or another experience um i would

2106
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:27,360
i would definitely be more intrigued

2107
01:16:31,990 --> 01:16:30,080
than i was at 11.

2108
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:32,000
um

2109
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:33,040
i

2110
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,120
um

2111
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:45,920
at 11 so i think this time around if it

2112
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:48,400
were to happen again i would i would

2113
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,910
really wow

2114
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,440
because i think i have

2115
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:57,760
more of an understanding of

2116
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:00,080
what my experience was i don't know if

2117
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:02,800
if people have multiple experiences like

2118
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:05,199
that i have no idea i've often wondered

2119
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:07,120
about it sometimes

2120
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,880
i'd be like well can't you just come

2121
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,960
back again so we can we can have that

2122
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:12,880
chat you know like let's finish that

2123
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:15,199
chat um to be honest i i have thought

2124
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,950
i also know that

2125
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:22,800
if if it will if it's meant to be at

2126
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,080
will

2127
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:26,560
now you said you were so incredibly

2128
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,159
close to this thing

2129
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:30,480
um and what was it about three feet tall

2130
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:33,280
that's what a lot of people mentioned

2131
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:36,320
yes three to four

2132
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:39,520
feet tall i guess i was taller than it

2133
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,000
was uh-huh and i was i was i was i'm i

2134
01:17:47,510 --> 01:17:45,040
mean i'm i'm tall but i was also a very

2135
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:47,520
tall sixth grader so

2136
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:49,600
that was very

2137
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,679
just a little alarming

2138
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:52,880
you know because i was like what am i

2139
01:17:57,189 --> 01:17:55,120
looking at here

2140
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:57,199
yeah you know what what am i looking at

2141
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:58,400
here um

2142
01:18:00,550 --> 01:17:59,199
so

2143
01:18:02,229 --> 01:18:00,560
well i know how it was about it was

2144
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:02,239
about that height

2145
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:03,920
i know how kids are and how they like to

2146
01:18:07,830 --> 01:18:05,920
touch anything i'm surprised no one

2147
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:07,840
tried to touch the being or the craft

2148
01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:09,679
you you know there's something about

2149
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:12,159
those tree trunks as a boundary mat and

2150
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:14,400
i'm telling you it you people people we

2151
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:17,520
took that very seriously nobody nobody

2152
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:19,040
crossed that boundary

2153
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:21,280
um at all whether it was your arm or

2154
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:24,000
your foot or your toe i also think

2155
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,679
that because a lot of us were

2156
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:29,520
unsure of what we were looking at we

2157
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:30,960
just knew that we were looking at

2158
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:32,880
something unique and different you're

2159
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:34,960
also less likely to

2160
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:36,640
you know

2161
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:39,120
reach out i certainly was curiosity was

2162
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:40,880
not gonna try and kill my cat that day i

2163
01:18:45,030 --> 01:18:42,640
was not reaching out and trying to be

2164
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,040
like you know what is this um but i can

2165
01:18:48,550 --> 01:18:47,280
only speak for myself i think just the

2166
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,560
the general

2167
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:50,719
feeling and sense on the playground

2168
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,640
that probably makes sense is that okay

2169
01:18:56,149 --> 01:18:54,320
we know we're looking at something we

2170
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:56,159
don't know what it is

2171
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:58,000
so we're just gonna

2172
01:19:01,750 --> 01:18:59,520
observe from a file which i think

2173
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:01,760
incidentally is what

2174
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:04,080
they did as well because none of them

2175
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:06,239
came into the playground not a single

2176
01:19:13,830 --> 01:19:07,120
one

2177
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:13,840
contact with when we talk about it

2178
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,040
remember the beings being in the actual

2179
01:19:20,310 --> 01:19:19,199
boundary of the playground

2180
01:19:25,910 --> 01:19:20,320
wow

2181
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:25,920
i'm opening this up if someone wants to

2182
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,520
uh join us

2183
01:19:31,350 --> 01:19:29,679
in google hangouts all you have to do is

2184
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,360
uh if you're listening live all you have

2185
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,000
to do is just type in your gmail address

2186
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:36,400
into the chat room and i can i can join

2187
01:19:43,270 --> 01:19:37,360
you

2188
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:43,280
about the um

2189
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:44,880
uh

2190
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:49,280
this film

2191
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,000
uh did anyone try to find trace evidence

2192
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,560
yes at the site yes

2193
01:20:03,910 --> 01:19:57,840
um

2194
01:20:05,510 --> 01:20:03,920
that was through mufon cynthia hind and

2195
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:05,520
a technician

2196
01:20:10,630 --> 01:20:08,320
uh who had a geiger counter and uh they

2197
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:10,640
actually did soil samples

2198
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,000
uh it was pretty

2199
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:14,560
you know considering the technology

2200
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:16,800
you know in zimbabwe at the time it was

2201
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:18,800
they used what they could

2202
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:20,640
um

2203
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:21,760
uh

2204
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,280
a couple other instruments that they

2205
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:25,120
used but they didn't detect anything

2206
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:28,960
abnormal in that area um

2207
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,440
so i mean that that was

2208
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:33,120
interesting you know something you

2209
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:34,960
brought up earlier i know you know the

2210
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:37,040
kids had said uh

2211
01:20:40,870 --> 01:20:38,719
that the whole hair without hair

2212
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,880
incident uh yeah you know description of

2213
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,920
this being

2214
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:43,280
well

2215
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,880
i was wondering that was a big one for

2216
01:20:48,790 --> 01:20:46,719
me it was like in the beginning was like

2217
01:20:50,630 --> 01:20:48,800
all right wait a second and you know

2218
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:50,640
what that's unusual for one in the

2219
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,280
research that i did and then i came upon

2220
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,199
an interview with a

2221
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:57,440
a couple of the kids from an archival

2222
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,719
section that i

2223
01:21:02,870 --> 01:21:00,400
uh retrieved

2224
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:02,880
out of africa and um

2225
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:05,360
where the where one girl particular she

2226
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:07,520
says yeah one had hair

2227
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,000
one had what looked like hair that was

2228
01:21:14,630 --> 01:21:13,040
standing near the the object

2229
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,640
and the other one which came and

2230
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:16,480
approached the playground

2231
01:21:19,110 --> 01:21:18,239
didn't have any hair

2232
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,120
um

2233
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,440
and i was like oh okay so there that it

2234
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:23,679
kind of that that that one in particular

2235
01:21:27,910 --> 01:21:26,320
said okay i get it so it wasn't just

2236
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,920
they weren't identical you know there

2237
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,239
was definitely more than one

2238
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,239
um

2239
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:34,400
so anyway i just wanted to raise that

2240
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,280
because

2241
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,159
it was a big question for me um

2242
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,560
because there was a discrepancy in

2243
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,560
different reports like some said that

2244
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:44,320
had a hair like thing

2245
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:47,120
uh john mack that had asked the children

2246
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,800
a lot about that like well was it

2247
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,719
actually hair or was it some kind of

2248
01:21:53,189 --> 01:21:52,080
hood or whatever

2249
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,199
um but

2250
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:54,719
there were

2251
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,480
from what i've been able to discover

2252
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,800
that there were two very distinct

2253
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,800
creatures

2254
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,199
wow that's interesting glad you i'm glad

2255
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:06,159
you uh did that yeah i'm glad you um

2256
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:07,199
said that

2257
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,750
um yes going all the way back to the

2258
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:13,280
description of the being you know

2259
01:22:16,070 --> 01:22:14,719
because i

2260
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:16,080
um you're probably going to be the only

2261
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:18,639
one i've ever talked to that actually

2262
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,560
saw a being like that so close um

2263
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:25,040
and uh you know i you know and i i

2264
01:22:27,510 --> 01:22:26,320
shouldn't say that because a lot of

2265
01:22:30,310 --> 01:22:27,520
people are saying they're you know

2266
01:22:32,470 --> 01:22:30,320
experiencers and see things but um say

2267
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,480
you're surrounded by witnesses

2268
01:22:36,070 --> 01:22:33,760
um

2269
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:36,080
when i talked to travis walton

2270
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,920
you know he told me the eyes were the

2271
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,800
most

2272
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,639
you know incredible thing the eyes were

2273
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:42,320
the scariest thing of them all do you

2274
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:43,679
feel the same way

2275
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:46,880
with the eyes like big and black like

2276
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:47,760
yes

2277
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:51,440
and i can see my the picture that i drew

2278
01:22:53,430 --> 01:22:52,480
vividly

2279
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:53,440
um

2280
01:22:57,350 --> 01:22:56,080
in my mind the eyes were very very

2281
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,360
captivating

2282
01:23:03,990 --> 01:23:00,560
um nothing like i'd ever seen before and

2283
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:04,000
um incredibly magnetic which is

2284
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:06,719
it almost felt like it took effort for

2285
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:07,600
me

2286
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,840
to break that gaze which again you kind

2287
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:12,000
of feel if time is slowing down if that

2288
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:15,440
is in fact what happened i don't know um

2289
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:17,440
but

2290
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,040
they were very big

2291
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:21,600
and uh very dark

2292
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:24,480
and very very

2293
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:25,600
just

2294
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:27,199
they were captivating you know it was

2295
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:28,639
one of those where you you couldn't look

2296
01:23:32,070 --> 01:23:30,719
away

2297
01:23:34,390 --> 01:23:32,080
now whatever you did but you didn't

2298
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:34,400
really know what you were looking at so

2299
01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:35,440
yeah

2300
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,870
one of the children drew a picture where

2301
01:23:44,310 --> 01:23:42,639
they had pupils

2302
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,320
uh are you familiar

2303
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,880
with that picture did you see like white

2304
01:23:50,470 --> 01:23:49,280
pupils in the middle i i'm i'm familiar

2305
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,480
with that picture

2306
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:52,880
that's uh so he drew

2307
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:55,120
he was asked what that was and he said

2308
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:56,719
that there it was the reflection of

2309
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,520
light that he was trying to draw

2310
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,560
yeah

2311
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:02,800
i got it okay that's interesting all

2312
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:03,920
right

2313
01:24:07,910 --> 01:24:06,480
so we only we have about uh five or six

2314
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,920
minutes left

2315
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:09,679
and um

2316
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:11,120
i want to make sure

2317
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,040
uh this is such a great opportunity that

2318
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,360
i get to ask you all the questions but i

2319
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,520
i i think i'm going to ask you

2320
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,110
what

2321
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,520
you could tell someone out there who's

2322
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:25,760
maybe experienced this that doesn't want

2323
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,880
to talk about it or suppressing it or

2324
01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:31,280
or would never want to report it do you

2325
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,679
feel as though you could help them

2326
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,320
through something like that

2327
01:24:41,270 --> 01:24:39,120
i mean i i think that

2328
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:41,280
i would definitely

2329
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:43,920
encourage the person to talk about it if

2330
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,719
they wanted to i think it also takes the

2331
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:48,320
right person

2332
01:24:52,629 --> 01:24:50,719
to break that in you have to feel i

2333
01:24:54,390 --> 01:24:52,639
think i almost feel that if if it hadn't

2334
01:24:56,070 --> 01:24:54,400
been randall i may not be having this

2335
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,080
conversation with you

2336
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:58,639
so the approach that the person that

2337
01:25:01,669 --> 01:24:59,840
you're trying to

2338
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,679
have this breakthrough conversation with

2339
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:04,560
is really really important um i also

2340
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:05,440
think

2341
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,440
that it's important to recognize that

2342
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:09,520
your experience is

2343
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:10,400
as

2344
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,719
and if you want

2345
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,639
something to be spoken about if you if

2346
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,199
you want to have better understanding

2347
01:25:22,709 --> 01:25:21,120
perhaps talking about it in some way

2348
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:22,719
shape or form

2349
01:25:26,950 --> 01:25:25,360
is a good idea i would never begin to

2350
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:26,960
suggest what that is because everybody

2351
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:29,600
deals with things differently um and i'm

2352
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,679
not a psychologist at all so i don't

2353
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:33,120
pretend to have this fantastic

2354
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,280
understanding of the human brain but i

2355
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:37,360
do know that

2356
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:39,360
with experiences come processes right we

2357
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,239
we all process things very differently

2358
01:25:46,229 --> 01:25:43,280
my

2359
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,239
goal would be to

2360
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,040
not discredit this person's experience

2361
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:51,440
but to also have them think whether it's

2362
01:25:56,790 --> 01:25:55,360
first in journaling or in um making

2363
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:56,800
little sound bites about what their

2364
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,360
experience is to help

2365
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,199
them understand what that could mean and

2366
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,600
that may eventually help them talk about

2367
01:26:07,030 --> 01:26:05,280
it because i don't think that it's just

2368
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,040
a i don't think it's a fluid thing it

2369
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:09,120
most certainly was not for me i i can

2370
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,360
only speak for myself but like i said

2371
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,440
sometimes those those years of

2372
01:26:17,189 --> 01:26:15,600
suppression or the time of suppression

2373
01:26:18,629 --> 01:26:17,199
is actually

2374
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,639
beneficial to you

2375
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,639
to realize that you're still thinking

2376
01:26:23,669 --> 01:26:22,320
about this this thing really did still

2377
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:23,679
happen you're still you still have

2378
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,760
dreams about it you have other dreams

2379
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,920
about it you have all these other things

2380
01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,840
that have happened in your life that

2381
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,920
okay this is not going away what can i

2382
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:33,280
do about it what am i supposed to do

2383
01:26:36,390 --> 01:26:34,800
about it and i really do think that it's

2384
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,400
a transitional thing

2385
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:39,280
yeah yeah it sounds like all processing

2386
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:41,360
what you're talking about um did you

2387
01:26:44,870 --> 01:26:43,600
happen to keep the drawing or drawings

2388
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,880
that you did

2389
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,840
um

2390
01:26:49,189 --> 01:26:47,040
i did not

2391
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:49,199
randall do you have it i know we have a

2392
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:50,080
paper

2393
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:52,480
yes somewhere um

2394
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:55,280
i do not have it and we we we

2395
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:58,080
let go of everything

2396
01:27:00,070 --> 01:26:58,800
yeah

2397
01:27:03,430 --> 01:27:00,080
i just wanna think i think retta

2398
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:03,440
probably has it i i do um i've i've got

2399
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,480
them all so

2400
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:06,560
i just wanted to say that kind of add to

2401
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:09,760
what sam was saying is that yeah i mean

2402
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,040
we do

2403
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,440
people do uh keep uh

2404
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,520
keep things quiet and

2405
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,920
uh when when they really do need to talk

2406
01:27:21,189 --> 01:27:18,880
about it

2407
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,199
and they when you keep something quiet

2408
01:27:25,669 --> 01:27:24,159
and inside for too long it it manifests

2409
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:25,679
in other ways

2410
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:28,639
that are not so good uh in addictions

2411
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:31,040
other kind of things so i think it is

2412
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,880
really good to if if there is somebody

2413
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,800
out there that that needs to speak about

2414
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:36,159
it that they speak about it with the

2415
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:37,600
right person

2416
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,159
um and know who to trust

2417
01:27:45,350 --> 01:27:43,199
and uh take it slow because some of

2418
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,360
these time i've i've run into this with

2419
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:47,520
several of the other kids it's really

2420
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:49,280
that we're really traumatized by this

2421
01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:50,480
and uh

2422
01:27:55,430 --> 01:27:52,320
it's it's something that you have to

2423
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,440
really take slow but it's you know

2424
01:27:59,189 --> 01:27:57,199
uh it's part of the culture that we're

2425
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:59,199
not being able to speak about it and

2426
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,280
that's what needs to change

2427
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:04,080
well excellent all right so uh you know

2428
01:28:07,510 --> 01:28:05,600
we're at the i wouldn't what if i could

2429
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:07,520
do a split screen here with both of you

2430
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,360
on we are at

2431
01:28:15,350 --> 01:28:12,400
the uh the end of our show

2432
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:15,360
and uh so i guess um

2433
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,120
i've really really enjoyed it tonight

2434
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,440
and i want to ask you uh

2435
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,800
in the show notes i want to say in the

2436
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,880
show notes there are some drawings

2437
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:24,639
there's some pictures

2438
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,080
and you can find that on podcastufo.com

2439
01:28:32,950 --> 01:28:31,120
um so all that's there and also

2440
01:28:36,669 --> 01:28:32,960
there's uh i think there's a link to the

2441
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,679
fund me page you have as well as

2442
01:28:40,629 --> 01:28:38,239
aerialphenomenon.com and then we're

2443
01:28:42,950 --> 01:28:40,639
doing an indiegogo i got to tell you we

2444
01:28:44,629 --> 01:28:42,960
did in this indiegogo we started it to

2445
01:28:47,110 --> 01:28:44,639
raise funding funds for the finishing

2446
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:47,120
funds and then we got hit by hurricane

2447
01:28:51,110 --> 01:28:49,360
hurricane hurricane shooting

2448
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:51,120
i mean we couldn't have picked a worse

2449
01:28:55,830 --> 01:28:53,679
time to do an indiegogo campaign but

2450
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,840
yeah if people are are really want to

2451
01:28:59,110 --> 01:28:58,000
help uh

2452
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:59,120
we need it

2453
01:29:03,030 --> 01:29:00,800
yeah um so

2454
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:03,040
thanks excellent all right excellent

2455
01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:04,320
well thanks so much randy don't say

2456
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,760
goodbye yet so i'm going to say goodbye

2457
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:07,520
to you thanks so much

2458
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:09,120
i really appreciate it i'm glad you made

2459
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:11,600
it to the show geez it was thank you

2460
01:29:16,229 --> 01:29:14,320
yeah for a while there um yeah thanks so

2461
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:16,239
much and i gotta tell you

2462
01:29:19,350 --> 01:29:17,840
you're one of my favorite guests this

2463
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:19,360
was really great

2464
01:29:22,470 --> 01:29:21,120
oh thank you very much for having me it

2465
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:22,480
was a pleasure

2466
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:24,320
yes and i hope your future is as bright

2467
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,000
as i think it's going to be

2468
01:29:30,470 --> 01:29:28,320
thank you i hope so too i think i think

2469
01:29:32,709 --> 01:29:30,480
um i think it will be

2470
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,719
yes all right you take care thank you

2471
01:29:37,030 --> 01:29:35,440
have a good night bye-bye bye-bye and

2472
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,040
thanks for joining me in the studio

2473
01:29:41,430 --> 01:29:39,440
thank you ottawa i'll select the next

2474
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,440
settlement for guest of the year okay